Starve the Ego Feed the Soul
Starve the Ego Feed the Soul
We Are Each Other’s Medicine with Mylo Fowler
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Embark on a journey of discovery as I sit down with my good friend, Mylo Fowler, a remarkable photographer and artist known for his powerful storytelling within the outdoor industry. We first crossed paths at the Canyon de Chelly Ultra Marathon, and today, Mylo shares his unique perspectives on creativity, rooted deeply in his Navajo heritage. Our conversation unfolds with stories of upbringing, weaving through cultural traditions and the enduring lessons from elders that continue to shape our paths. You'll hear about my own dream of becoming a pilot, the financial hurdles that come with flight training, and my dedication to making aviation accessible to communities that have historically been left out.
Together, Mylo and I reflect on the profound significance of family and community, vividly illustrated through the Navajo clan system and the teachings of our ancestors. These insights are interwoven with memories of my childhood in Arizona, marked by a self-sustaining lifestyle taught by my grandfather, emphasizing responsibility and environmental stewardship. We delve into the concept of giving, whether it's through fostering children, expanding family, or committing to humanitarian efforts. Mylo’s personal philanthropic work brings solar power to remote areas of the Navajo reservation, inspired by a deep desire to give back to the community, a value passed down through generations.
Through personal anecdotes and shared experiences, the conversation highlights the transformative power of kindness and empathy. Whether it's Mylo’s photography assignments that bring awareness to critical issues or the simple act of helping a stranger, these stories underscore the potential of small actions to create significant change. The episode culminates in a call to view the world through a lens of understanding and connection, encouraging us all to look beyond divisions. By fostering empathy and compassion, we can contribute to a more united and supportive world.
Warmly,
Nico Barraza
@FeedTheSoulNB
www.nicobarraza.com
Hey all, good morning. I have my good friend, milo Fowler, on the show today. I first met Milo at the Canyon de Chelly Ultra Marathon that my good buddy, sean Martin, hosts on the Navajo Reservation out here in Northern Arizona. If you haven't listened to the episode with Sean, you should. It's an incredibly deep, spiritual and profound episode. I highly recommend checking that out. I've been wanting to have Milo on the show for a while now. He's an incredible photographer artist, uh, honestly like just one of the most interesting dudes I know, and he has a uh. There's a handful of of things that he's produced, being a professional creative. But if you want to check out more about him, there is a documentary that Sony produced and his good friend, uh, chris Burkhardt uh helped film called Milo just M Y-O. I'll throw the link to that in the show notes in the description, so be sure to check that out too.
Speaker 1:If you haven't found out, I am going to flight school right now to become a pilot. It's something I've always wanted to do and finally just said fuck it, let's do it right now. I was originally going to go through the military, through the guard, about five years ago, and that's actually the reason why I got my first shoulder surgery. That really wrecked my arm was that I was trying to make my shoulder even stronger after that crash and unfortunately it ended up making things way worse and so that's kind of postponed that pursuit. But I've always wanted to fly. I've always wanted to fly as a profession and I just love it. It's always been something I wanted to do as a kid. So, as you guys know, it's incredibly expensive. I started to go fund me for myself. As you guys know it's incredibly expensive. I started to go fund me for myself and really if you can pitch in any money, it's greatly appreciated. I'm looking into finishing my private pilot license, hopefully sometime at the end of December, early January, and then I'm moving on to my instrument and then my commercial multi-engine CFI, cfii, doing all of them before I actually have to start building hours to fly and to get my ATP and to go that route.
Speaker 1:So if you know anything about flying, it's very expensive. A lot of times only the affluent can get into it. Or if you have someone that's an aviator in your family I do not. I'd be the first aviator, first pilot in my family, first generation, and yeah, I'm just really inspired. I'm also really inspired to get other people that sort of grew up in the socioeconomics that I did, underrepresented youth, both men and women, into aviation. Take them out for discovery flights and really provide, be a resource and be a mentor to younger and, you know, older people alike that want to get into aviation, that are from marginalized or underrepresented communities to aviation, that are from marginalized or underrepresented communities Because, again, if I would have known about the things available to me as a young kid, I could have been doing this for 15 years already. So very, very inspired to be in the air and grateful. If you want to pitch in and help support my goals to get into aviation and become a full-time pilot, head over to the GoFundMe link in the show notes, throw over a couple bucks and you are greatly appreciated and without further ado, I hope you enjoy this conversation with Milo Fowler. Let it breathe on you. Let it breathe on you Everybody.
Speaker 1:We have my buddy, milo Fowler, here joining me on Star of the Ego, feed the Soul, and I met Milo in 2014 at the Canyon de Chelly 55K, who his good friend and childhood buddy, sean Martin, directs One of the coolest cultural races on the Navajo race, navajo res. I've ever been a part of, and I was able to meet Milo there, and he is a professional photographer. He's done a ton of different stuff in his life. He's also ran the race now too, and since then we've meandered, running into each other throughout life and throughout the outdoor industry, and you're obviously a big influencer and creative within the outdoor industry. You've been a huge storyteller for a long time for a lot of different pieces of work and, yeah, milo, it's good to see you again. Dude, I'm so excited to talk to you about your story and your life today because I mean, first of all, there's so much that you've done, so much that you've contributed to and I'm excited to get into it, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, thanks for having me. I'm really looking forward to hopefully sharing quite a bit and having somebody take what they want from it and hopefully it helps them. If it does, great If not. I love sharing some insight, a lot of it, which actually much of it doesn't stem from, I guess, myself. It's stuff that I've seen from the very first time I could crawl and walk, that I still remember and have those vivid, special memories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely so. I want to read this story, this post that you wrote on Facebook from a couple weeks ago. But before we get into that, can you tell us a little bit about your background and how you grew up and how you were raised?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. I would say that that should begin with, something that's very important and that's how we introduce ourselves in our language, regardless of where we are. I actually introduced myself the very same way just a couple of nights ago in downtown Disneyland at a big energy conference. And that's starting with our clients. So, yeah, and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and. Um, what I just shared were my was the introduction that, um, I just remember being taught so, um, so well by my great grandmother, and I had just a phenomenal blessing, the phenomenal fortune to to have her live um next door to us, and she always said no matter wherever you are, you always introduce yourself in this way and, and she regularly reminded me, the very first thing is, which means hello, my relatives and my people, and she taught me that because she wanted me to have that viewpoint.
Speaker 2:Whenever I come across anybody, they don't have to be Navajo for me to look at them as a soul, as a person, as somebody also walking on mother earth, trying to, you know, figure out their journey, their purpose, their mission, their objective in life.
Speaker 2:And that you know, a lot could be had from viewing each other as relatives. And I guess, to a degree, no matter what community community we're in, we all probably call a number of people my people. Whether that's because you're Navajo, they're Navajo, you're a runner, they're a runner. They love Rivians and they drive a Rivian. We call probably a number of people my people as well. So it was just a great beautiful teaching that I got from my great-grandmother. Again, she lived next door when I was a kid.
Speaker 1:That's beautiful. You know, your friend Sean was on the show. He was like, I think, the seventh or eighth episode and he introduced himself in native Diné language. Can you explain really quickly, like the introduction? From what I understand it, you know it's like mostly like the matriarch you're introducing first like your mother's clan and then your father's clan. Is that correct?
Speaker 2:That is correct. Yeah, so we all inherit two of our clans from our mother and two from our father, and that makes up who we are. And you know our kids are half Navajo and their mother is blonde and blue eyes and, with the language expanding and growing, you know they're able to. You know, share their plans as well, because, even though you know their Scandinavia isn't Navajo, we have words for that part of the world. So, they'll still be able to introduce themselves again. Two from the mom, two from the dad.
Speaker 1:So cool man. So explain to me, like you know, where you grew up, what was your childhood like, and give and give me the brief synopsis of how you got to what you're doing today, which is a dream for most creatives.
Speaker 2:Maybe measuring the standard of living that I had growing up versus what, what we see nowadays? Um, you would easily count us, uh, well below poverty. Um, as a kid, I never really had that measuring stick. Um, I thought I had the greatest childhood any kid would ever want you know, we had four tree houses on my mother's side of the land my mother was a single mom for a bit, and so we spent a lot of time around my maternal grandparents, and that involved farming.
Speaker 2:You know, we lived off the land because the nearest grocery store, the nearest you know big box store in the 80s, you know was was hours away, and and so I recently went on google Earth and measured, you know, where our tree houses were. I was like, oh, there's our tree house. You know, there's this tree house, this is where we used to take cars and you know, and I measured the farm and it's 12 acres and that's just ours. My uncle had his next to ours and his was also about 10, 12 acres and so collectively, that's really where we grew everything we ate.
Speaker 2:So in the early mornings, the late evenings was really um, the the responsibilities entailed taking care of the crops you know, from corn, slosh, cantaloupe, zucchini, um watermelon, honeydew, beans, I mean really, you name it. We grew it or we tried to grow it. We tried to grow cherries one year and that definitely bombed. We had quite a bit of success with plums, peaches, apricots, especially apricots. They grew very, very well in the Arizona desert, and then we traded, um, you know, I remember, uh, you talk about canyon de chey. My earliest childhood memory of canyon de chey was going there with my grandpa to trade um my grandparents corn and zucchini with a couple of families that grew just the most juiciest, delicious peaches ever and I would just sit there on the edge and just awe at this canyon. It's like wow, what a cool place you know.
Speaker 2:And then after that, just go back home and you know the, the, the there was a lot of.
Speaker 2:There was a lot of manual labor, a lot of, a lot of working with your hands, a lot of responsibilities. Um, you know, there a lot of a lot of working with your hands, a lot of responsibilities. Um, you know, there a lot of that also revolved around making sure, uh, you know, the sheep were okay, they had water. Uh, my grandpa taught me how to herd sheep, not just, you know, take them out and play around all days. You know, look at the plants, look at the grass, look at how they're growing, look at how they're regrowing. You at the forecast, where's all that water going to run? And so, really, he was so smart at figuring out where to graze, how to graze, for how long, and then move the sheep around, just so that any part of the landscape, if you overgraze, the next thing you're going to have is a sand dune, and we definitely didn't want that sand dune, you know, because we definitely didn't want that.
Speaker 2:And so, and there's times where I mean I'm talking about being, I guess, maybe a first grader, a kindergarten kid, overlooking 150 sheep, and the funny thing was, as a kid, I was always behind a sheep, and whenever my grandpa went out, the sheep were always behind him. They followed him, whereas I had to chase them around. You know so big difference of trust there that I remember seeing as a kid. And one night I came home it was after a thunderstorm. I remember my grandpa went to the corral and noticed that some sheep were missing. He said, hey, let's go back and let's grab some dinner really fast. And you know, we got to find them. What he meant was you know, go eat dinner really fast. Here's a flashlight, take two dogs and go find them on your own.
Speaker 2:And it was scary as a little kid walking around in the desert at night trying to listen for the sheep you know, trying to wonder where they're at, and then finally found them. Luckily that you know, the coyotes or the foxes or the mountain lions didn't get to them.
Speaker 2:But I just remembered that lesson there to be careful with, um, with what you're supposed to be responsible for you know, yeah, so yeah, childhood was was a blast, with a ton of horses to ride, a lot of uh land to explore, go running, a lot of ceremonies, a lot of traditional teachings that stemmed from my grandparents. Maybe the greatest but one of the most um moving things I ever saw was, uh, we were again. We were so blessed to have a well as natural spring just right by where my grandparents land is. That, and it's the only natural spring in the area, in the region for quite, quite a distance and um, people would always come by and knock on my grandparents door and and ask can we have some of your water? It's okay if we go back there and get some of our water. My grandparents always reminded them it's not our water. It's water that does come from right here. Yes, we live by it and we take care of it. We have those responsibilities to make sure the water stays clean as possible. However, in the end, it's not our water, and they said, yeah, you can go get some water, just don't make a mess, take what you need and come back out and make sure to close the gate. They always reminded people to close the gate and, as they would start making their way back out of the canyon.
Speaker 2:You could see them. They're about maybe a mile and a half away. You could their way back out of the canyon. You could see them. They're about maybe a mile and a half away. You could see them coming out of the canyon. Headlights or whatever they may be having and anything in the. You can hear the canyon, like if rocks fall or if a horse is back there, you can hear the echo of that. So you could hear vehicles coming or just noise. And once my grandma or grandpa heard that or saw that they were exiting, they would always say, hey, go get this box, you know, go grab two zucchinis, three corns, grab a you know a little honeydew, or just really grab a grab bag of things and um, and I always thought I was like, oh wow, dinner's gonna be so good.
Speaker 2:tonight, you know, we're or we're going to have this, that and the other for dinner. It's going to be tasty. And I'd come back and my grandma would then, you know, always say thank you, my child. And then she would take that box clean off all the vegetables or whatever, just like she normally would before cooking us dinner, and then she'd take that box outside and wave the family down and just, you know, know, give it to them and and I, I recall so, so, so, so many times asking grandma's like grandma, why do you always do that? You know? Um, finally, I asked her, you know, after seeing this happen so many times, I asked her grandma, why you, why you, why do you do that? You know, why are you giving away all of our corn, our squash, our peaches and all of these things? You know? And, uh, you know, she said she has.
Speaker 2:You know, we, we have really good soil, we have really good land here and and no one else lives closer to that water than we do. And she said you don't, you may not know who that family is, but did you know they live, you know, this distance away, and they don't have a ton of trees like we do, they don't have a ton of dogs like we do, you know, or sheep, or this and that.
Speaker 2:And she really explained and saw that we all have a need of some kind and that, if we can, we ought to give you know, and so, um, and as a kid, that was so disheartening because it's like you know, you work so hard, you get so dirty you're sweaty, you're dirty and and you just want a shower or a bath and all that work you put in just goes right out the door, you know, as grandma is literally giving the farm away. Yeah, and I just never forgot those lessons from my grandmother. She always said we can always afford to give.
Speaker 1:Milo, do you think that is a sort of a cultural lesson that most Navajo people abide by, or is that particular to your family?
Speaker 2:as far as the altruism and giving, people abide by, or is that particular to your family? As far as the altruism and giving I, I, I can say that it definitely is something that we were all very, very well taught within our family. Yeah, um, at the same time, I can also say that is culturally um a way of life. You know, you mentioned sean and how he introduced themselves and how I introduced myself. Those clans are very powerful and very special because they allow us to know who we're related to. The reason why my great-grandmother, my paternal great-grandmother, taught me how important and powerful it is to introduce yourself that way is because you view, you know, like if that was your literal brother or sister or mother coming out of that Canyon and you had all this food and they didn't have as much. Why wouldn't you give you know? And so, backpedaling a little bit to who we are, those plans allow us to know who we're related to and who can take part in certain ceremonies and obviously for and obviously for establishing a family. We jokingly say clans before plans. However, there's a lot of veracity to that as well, and so all of my grandparents are no longer here. They're, as we say in the world, the great spirits. However, when I go back home to the Navajo land and just meet a grandma or help them with whatever our humanitarian work. There are so many grandmas and grandpas that are still out there.
Speaker 2:Just this morning, in terms of understanding how powerful clans are, just this morning I sent a follow-up to a caseworker that we have Our family's looking at, fostering and adopting, and there's a potential Navajo child that may enter our family. I don't know him or her. However, that child could be related to me because of our clan system and that would be a family placement. You know what I mean. That, like that's how powerful our clans are to be able to give that child a place of love, of safety and everything that we've been blessed with to share that. And so, coming back to, is this a family? I would say it's. It's a very, very important family thing that we do to give, to help, um, and then, naturally, outside of that, as a as a nation, as a people, as navajo people, it is also very I tend to find it being a very common thing of giving and helping because they might be family yep, yeah, I would agree with you.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's something other cultures, some tend to replicate, but but a lot of the times in the west, like in the colonist culture, I don't find it as apparent of like looking out for one another. Right, it's more of like you know, we live in this society now where it's most people with social media it's it's the selfie, it's like it's the selfie, it's like very much about me, right, and it's right it's the selfie, it's like it's the selfie, it's like very much about me, right, and it's it's interesting, like you know, whenever I've been in sort of any sort of dark times in my life, specifically dealing with this injury and not being able to run and trying to get my life back and whatnot, like the more I pour into others, the less empty I feel, and of course, it's not like necessarily the goal just to give back to myself, but that is an inherent, like you know, thing that happens when you're giving, when you're caring about others, is you just feel better, you know, you feel better, you can have all the money and all the stuff in the world, but if you're really only harboring it for yourself, like pretty much die alone, right, you don't have those relationships. I think what you're speaking to is like this greater interconnectedness of all human beings, particularly like ones that you consider family. But for me, even looking past, like my Hispanic and native heritage on my grandparent's side and my mom's side, like even being on the Navajo res, like I feel very connected to the Navajo and Hopi res, you know, because I've been in Northern Arizona for so long and like it's why I run there as much as I can, especially when I was a pro, because like met amazing people like you and Sean Not Navajo, but anytime I was there I was treated like family by the people that I was there with and I think that's why it's always left a resounding impression on me and particularly the stories that you guys have shared that I've seen from the struggles on the res too, and areas that you guys are trying to help improve.
Speaker 1:One of the things that has always impressed me about you and you just spoke to this is just your philanthropy work. When I first started following you, when I first met you, you started to get involved with Goal Zero, one of your sponsors, as a photographer and as an influencer, and you brought a lot of their stuff to the res, and I would see photos and videos of you and your family going out to these very obscure areas in the res and helping them rev revamp their entire energy system to full solar power. You know, and there's not a lot of people doing that in their communities, and it's not like you have, like LeBron, michael Jordan, finances. I mean you've done well, but I think the thing that inspires me about you is, like, with whatever you have, you've consistently given.
Speaker 1:You know, and I think that that's a lesson not only that we should be teaching people, but, like as a father yourself, like I think that's one of the best lessons you could teach your children you know which is what was passed on to you from your, from your grandparents too. Can you talk a little bit about, like, how you got it? Like how you know for people that want to help others? Like how did you start to look at needs and then decide which one to actually like help at? You know, because you went, you went through this solar route and then you've done other things too. Like how did you choose? You know where to make a difference I?
Speaker 2:um, that's a really great question. Um, one is uh, for me I think it was quite easy to figure out. Um, you know, I guess, from a foundational level, do I, am I a giving person? You know, do I want to be a giving person whether the cameras are rolling or not, like, is that who I want to be? And I think that I can trace that all the way back to another lesson that I got from my great grandmother when I was a kid, and that is you know. She was saying that, you know, basically, prior to what I just shared with you, she said you know, our language is growing, our language is evolving and you know you're going to pursue different things in your life that you know our kids or my generation never had in the early 1900s.
Speaker 2:You're going to see new things and go become a student of those. Never stop learning, and no matter where you go on this planet, always remember where you come from, because there are so many important values and teachings here that you can share with others. And that's when she said no matter what you do, though, always remember that, which means we are each other's medicine. We're problem solvers for each other, not necessarily me and you or me and my next door neighbor. However, having that mentality of knowing there's a purpose, there's a reason why you're here, there's a reason why you're born and created and find that, you know and pursue that. And so, again, giving is such, I think, an important aspect of my life because of again seeing it from my maternal grandparents being taught about it, from my paternal great-grandma, to now regularly thinking about others. And I think you know my office here is probably almost as big as the house I grew up in. Right, you know? I mean we have a nice home here in Utah, a really beautiful view.
Speaker 2:And going back to where I come from, I remember a disagreement I once had about food storage. You know we're we're looking at like racking up food storage for the next. Um, we already had about a year and a half worth of food storage, you know, in our family just in case if something happens, family just in case if something happens. And I remember the disagreement was, you know, adding more to that to be prepared for the next two years should something crazy happen. And I was just like you know we can use our resources differently.
Speaker 2:And I just remember vividly saying, like you know I know what it's like, wondering should I have cereal today or tomorrow or the next day, because after that it's done, we're not going to have anymore. Like, what do I eat? You know what do I choose. And so you know, having grown up on food stamps, on WIC, and you know a single mom trying to figure out how to make ends meet from one day to the next uh, not even one week to the next, not even one month to the next. You know I saw a lot of those challenges and and and. Now I think we can, like my grandmother said, we can, we can afford to give yeah, that's amazing outlook just on life and how to operate in general.
Speaker 1:So you mentioned you're going to possibly might adopt another child, right, you have two of your own right now. Um, like, that's a huge step right For a family to make, like, and what can you explain just a little bit about the motivation behind that and how that idea came to be?
Speaker 2:Um, I, I grew up with an older sister and a younger sister, so no brothers, and fortunately I had some uncles and aunts. They had kids and their kids became my brothers and sisters. So in our Navajo culture we don't really have a word for cousins. We have brothers and sisters and that's how we always viewed our relatives. And so as a kid, like man I out, when I again going back to herding sheep, playing with cars, playing in the tree houses, you know I was like what would this be like if I had a younger brother or an older brother? You know, I got really lucky where our, um, our my younger sister was, um, more interested in playing cars than with Barys, uh, than with than with makeup or anything. So she was kind of a little tomboy and I loved that, uh, because she could hang and that was so cool.
Speaker 2:Um, so I think from my own childhood I always wanted to have a bigger family. My mom comes from a family of um 11 brothers and sisters and my dad comes from a family of 13 brothers and sisters and so they, as an adult, seeing them interact and, you know, at like family dinners, ceremonies or whatnot, I was like that's just so cool and so I always wanted to have five kids um and um, as, as we reflected on, like, where do we see ourselves in the next? You know, 5, 10, 15 years um. You know, we have two kids um so, the denali and roar. They're from um. So their mother and I, we, we got divorced um a handful of years ago and, uh gosh, it's already been, I think over eight years. Wow, it's been that time went by so fast and so got remarried to an incredible, amazing lady.
Speaker 2:So we've had our challenges, being able to have children cope the normal way. We pursued the path of ivf, um, you know, using science and um. However, now we're at the age of, you know, in our in our early, early, early 40s, where it's like, do we continue to try, you know? And so, um, I think I think that ship has sailed. And so, um, you know, we have plenty of room in our home that, you know, kids can be in.
Speaker 2:And I struggled with the idea tremendously at first, because the idea is always reunification. You know, take a kid, share with them, love them, provide that safety, that security, that, uh, consistency of always being there, you know, provide that. And then, one day, like, um, you know, they could just say, hey, they're going back to their biological family, and I, I, that was so hard for me to to try to try to see that happening. And, um, I, I wear my heart on my sleeves. I would say, and and I just told lauren, my wife, like I, I don't want to sign up for that, I don't want to give somebody this all of my love, all of my attention, and just give them everything that I have, and then they are gone the next day. You know, and I think the closest experience I had to that was coming home from southern France from my Mormon mission, where 24-7 you're thinking of helping other people, not just about like sharing the good word, you know, and being a representative, or trying to be a good representative of, of of Jesus, of Christ.
Speaker 2:It was like man, I just fell in love with the people. I just loved helping them. I loved, um, you know the little old ladies that lived on our, on our street and you know getting, you know, uh, fresh produce every morning. And you know fresh produce every morning. And you know just really being there. And I just remember knowing like, wow, I am going home tomorrow, back to Arizona, I'm going back home. And I just remember crying, I just remember just hugging one of the members of the church over there Fr Martin Brotherin was his name and alan's his first name and I just remember telling him like I don't want to go home, like I, I love being here and and I was 25 year old man crying and and the grown man's you know hugging him, and I just remember him laughing and he's like it's going to be okay, you're going to be fine, you'll be okay, you'll have plenty of chances to come back and visit us and, um, we'll see you again soon, you know, and so, um, so I mean, that was something that I absolutely loved and just left and was heartbroken, loved and just left and was heartbroken, you know, and so I was.
Speaker 2:I was driving back from, I think, canyon de Chelly, um on um, it was a massive blizzard that came through. I photographed the area with, like snow, two and a half feet, three feet deep in some areas. You know, it was just amazing. And um, I remember driving back and um, just listening to some music super late at night, um, and then I just felt the prompting that, you know, to these kids that may come to your home, that may live in your home um, be the best uncle Milo to them, you know. Um, yeah, you, you want to be a dad, you want to be a father to you know, and um, for some reason that just stuck with me, of like, be the best uncle Milo to them. You know, and love them. Um, give them everything you know, and then, if they do return home to their real biological family, so be it.
Speaker 2:I remember it was like 2 o'clock in the morning I texted my wife. I was like, hey, hon, I'm all in, let's go If we ever adopt. Great, if all we do is foster one kid for whatever amount of time, and then they go home because you know, they say it's, it's, it's it's good for that child to return home, then let's, let's send them home with um, with everything that we have, you know, and, and, and. That's when it made sense. And so now we're looking at again. Like I said, I sent an email this morning to, to our caseworker, and we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 2:I'm excited, we're excited.
Speaker 1:I'm excited for you, man, that's. That's such a beautiful way to to view parenting. I, you know I I've had the similar. You know I don't have children yet, but I've had this similar sort of similar. You know I don't have children yet, but I've had this similar sort of, you know, coming to moment where I had the same concerns you did. And you know I really am much more open to it now, just because, god, I mean, I didn't grow up with a father, I just grew up with my mom and then I had my thought that my thought that was like my father figure, my grandfather, on my mom's side.
Speaker 1:But I grew up around so many kids that like, had one parent or didn't have any parents, that grew up in a group home. You know, because I grew up in a pretty impoverished area on the west side in Tucson and you know so many people shut themselves off to that because of the reasons sort of. You know you brought up and I just wish more people were open to it because there's just so much. You know, no matter what kid I'm coming in contact with, I'm going to be the best uncle Milo there as possible, even if it's not someone you're going to adopt or have in your home. I just think it's like again how we treat people, in particular we treat those younger people that are going to. You know we're leaving impressions on them for the rest of their lives. You know, even when we have bad days and we're going through it ourselves as adults because you know I've been around adults when I was a kid that, like, changed my life for the better and probably changed my life for the worse, you know, and you have to rectify that as you get older. So kudos to you and your wife for taking that step and being open to that.
Speaker 1:You know, as far as the philanthropy work, you know you'd mentioned. You kind of picked areas that you're already experiencing or you had maybe had some backing in. You went on this big solar power journey for a bit on the res. Can you explain to me how you got into that and how that manifested and how much work you ended up putting down, because I remember reading numbers that you were posting. This was years ago but it was just impressive. I would see you out there in your car all the time just going from house to house helping a ton of know basically revamp their entire electrical system Um cause a lot of people that don't know the res and they're not from Northern Arizona, like you know. There's a lot of communities that are living out there, like completely without running water and electricity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there there is. And, you know, going back to the question you posed earlier, I think that, um, you know, we, we all belong to a community, uh, that that's meaningful to us, uh, whether that's about human rights or, um, you know, maybe it's a Zumba class, I don't know. You know, everybody belongs to some community and there always is there. There are always people that are kept from that as well, you know, and not being able to make that because of of various challenges, and so, even if you may like like falconry for, for example, a unique community have a couple of friends that are heavily into, into participating in that, and, um, you know, I have, uh, um, our son, denali, plays club soccer, and his assistant coach, um, they just launched a nonprofit, uh all about getting uh kids with disabilities into the outdoors, and so every community out there could always use more help. Even the ones that are doing very good, they could always use more help. And so I think it's coming back to figuring out what purpose do you feel like you have, what are you good at? And I just remember my great grandmother again saying we are each other's medicine, because we're all amazingly, amazingly talented at a couple of things, and whether that's you know crunching numbers, whether that's fixing cars or being a surgeon, we're all incredibly talented and gifted with this and I would say we can probably use that gift or talent to help whatever community out there that could benefit from it. And so for me, it was the solar thing actually started with water, you know. And so for me it was the solar thing actually started with water.
Speaker 2:Um, I had a photography assignment, um, and read about the gold king mines fill and you know, which you know happened in durango. I went to college in durango at fort lewis, and so I know the animus river runs right through town and to see photos of that river go from what it usually is to like mustard yellow, I was like holy cow that runs to the San Juan River. So I was so focused on this important, you know it was a pretty concise check photography assignment. I said you know, I'm just going to build a quick website, you know, and people can buy my photographs for $5, $10, and $20. And then, you know, if somebody wants to donate a hundred bucks, they have to go through that, you know, process five times you know, and ultimately I wanted to really show um that a lot of a massive impact could be made by everyone doing a little bit.
Speaker 2:You know, I wasn't asking for a thousand000 donations or $5,000 donations or $10,000 donations. My goal was to go to one of these big box stores here locally in the Salt Lake area and basically buy a pallet of drinking water and then drive that all the way towards the San Juan River, monument Valley, ojito Bluff. I know some families in there that live right along the river, that use the river, and basically the goal was to hand out water over there. I set up the website, I take off, come back four or five days later, I log back into the account and, instead of buying just one pallet of drinking water, I was able to buy seven semi-trailers of drinking water, again all from $5, $10, $20 donations, and so collectively, a massive difference was had because of everyone doing a little bit. After we delivered that, on a couple of different trips we had the school get involved uh, big thanks to gouldings down there in the monument valley area, they opened up their uh big storage facility because, again, semis and after semis, we're just unloading drinking water and we instituted a very critical recycling process as well, because we didn't want, you know, a lot of plastic water bottles just out there floating in the wind. After that we had some money left over and then I reached out to Goal Zero because they're based here, just 15, 20 minutes from where we live here in the valley. I said, hey, I know some grandmas and grandpas and I know about a veteran that live out there and they, you know like, is there any way you can give me a sweet discount and I'll go back and install that? And that's how it started was finding a few families there.
Speaker 2:You know, I grew up without, like you said, running water or electricity. Some of these amenities, amenities, um and um, you know, I just um, remember one of the early installations I did was with a grandma who invited her daughter and a couple of her grandkids and we're all sitting there in the dark just laughing, um, because normally there might be a flashlight on or a kerosene lamp on, something emitting very little bit of light, and we're just laughing our heads off. And then we turned on the light, um, and just like the whole house illuminated and, um, I think, I think you know, physically we can see how much of an impact, you know, led light bulbs make to light our way and, however, I just remember seeing, like how that changed something within them. You know, it's like the runner's high. It's like like last week I went biking, you know, I rode 82 miles and knocked that out in like five hours and just felt so good. I came back and I was like man, my body's not sore, my body's not hungry, I don't feel like I'm starving, is like everything just went great, you know, and I felt uniquely different than all the other rides that I've done and um, being able to see those families just light up internally.
Speaker 2:Um, like, I remember the first day we got electricity at my parents' house. It was after I graduated high school and we were joking with my mom Because my dad wired our house with like switches and lights. And every year since I was in preschool all the way to senior year, every summer, people from the utility company, from the tribe, would say, hey, next summer your family is going to get electricity. That's why we're doing all of this. You'll see the poles get put in and we saw the poles there for a decade. Those poles were there, they had wires and they had the breakers and all of this was set up.
Speaker 2:So after high school, my mom came home late from work one day and my older I remember my sisters and I were just like joking with her. I was like, hey, mom, go turn on the lights. You know, she's like why am I going to turn on the lights? They do nothing. And I was like mom, no, just try it. We're playing a game here and we're sitting in the dark and my mom turns on the lights and boom, the light bulbs in her house turn on. And she was like what? Like how is this? The generator's not running, the welding machine's not running, the house isn't hooked up to the truck, the truck's not running. Like how are the lights on? And I just remember, we just remember saying that mom, our house has electricity now. And she's like no way. I was like, yeah, and so she turned the lights on and off, on and off a few times. And then she said you know, tomorrow I'm going to walmart and we're going to buy a microwave. And that's exactly what she did.
Speaker 2:Um, and so the the whole idea came from something very small. I think it's something that I would assume we all have maybe memories of man. I wish I had this when I was a kid. I wish I had this kind of help when I was younger, or as a single mom or a single dad. I'm assuming we all probably have that hope that we had an extra hand in some way shape or form. You know, I have many of those memories and rather than I think, hoping and wishing, I just decided to be one. You know, to be that hand, to be that person that decides to help. For some reason, things just work out better after that. You know, um, yeah, I, and just you know.
Speaker 2:You read about the story about meeting the man from sanaste and in green river. It's like what if? Because we were on our way to winderrock, to the navajo nation fair, to we have a booth to sell our t-shirts, our stickers, some of our small photographs, our calendars, and I just remember, um, you know, telling the kids is like what. I don't know how things work. I don't know how everything works spiritually or in the universe. However, what if we were supposed to go to Windorock and along the way, the most important thing out of this entire trip was just to meet this man here and to help him? I remember saying after that, like I don't care if we sell a single T-shirt, I don't care if we come home with everything in our inventory. This trip has already been meaningful and it's already been so worth it. Like I said, if we come home with all of our calendars, every t-shirt, every single some, nobody buys a single thing. We're, we're, we're already ahead, we're ahead.
Speaker 1:I remember saying that to the kids and my wife and the truck. It's a great segue. Man, I really want to read what you wrote on Facebook. If you wouldn't mind to indulge me, I'll read it for you One, because you're a great storyteller.
Speaker 1:I think most a lot of Navajo people, just like Irish people, are really good storytellers you know, and you know, it's interesting because when I was at Canyon de Chelly in 2014, when I met you, you know, sean has all his family up there and they kind of all tell different stories and Sean's a really good storyteller too, right, I mean, you guys tell incredible stories and this is just such a beautiful piece of writing but also really speaks volumes to the kind of man you are. So, so let me just read this and the the area is San Jose, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, san Jose. It's south of Shiprock, New Mexico.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, all right. So this is Milo wrote this six days ago on his Facebook and it's man from San Jose. Yesterday evening, while charging our Rivian in Green River, utah, an older Navajo man came by the burger joint we were waiting at. He asked if we knew where the train station was. I pulled my phone out and showed him where it was. He left and I recalled seeing the Amtrak train near Price, utah, about an hour earlier. After we got our food, we jumped back in the truck and, instead of making our way to Moab, we also went to the train station. We found the older man there and someone had given him a Gatorade. I asked him where he was going and he said Salt Lake City. He said he's from Sonotse, new Mexico. Knowing he missed the train, I looked up when the next one would be leaving. Unfortunately, it is leaving this evening at 6.32 PM.
Speaker 1:I asked if he had a phone and he didn't, so I jumped on the support system for Amtrak and confirmed he needed the exact dollar amount to pay cash, as most services are phone app based. He had $6, which was well short of what he needed. We never carry cash. However, back home I got some cash before we left, I gave him the exact amount for his train ticket to Salt Lake. I also couldn't help but give him extra cash to we left. I gave him the exact amount for his train ticket to Salt Lake. I also couldn't help but give him extra cash to help him. I also gave him my burger and drink. I shook his hand and, in our language, I told him to take care of himself and to take care.
Speaker 1:Not long after we left I cried. The kids asked why and I replied I hate to see my people struggle. Our family has been so blessed by the creator and at times we pray for help to arrive at our next thing. Sometimes I wonder if I'm given tests to see if I'll live up to a promise I made long ago. Sometimes I wonder if the Creator puts people in my path to see if I'll help them for Him. Oddly, as much as I ask for help this might be the way I don't care to receive praise for what we did. What matters most to me is to have our kids know we can always afford to help and give. Most of all, I hope the relatives of the man from Sinatse know he's getting on the 632 train and heading to Salt Lake City this evening. Hopefully he'll reunite with his family. I didn't get his name. However, he's been in our prayers ever since yesterday evening. Hopefully a relative of this sees this post.
Speaker 1:I told my kids one of my favorite lines in a hymn is because I have given so much, I too must give. May we give a bit, especially if the windows of heaven have been open to us before? Aren't we all trying to get somewhere? I am. I mean just a beautiful story of reality and you live this man. I think that you know.
Speaker 1:First, I tip my hat for you because I know you do a lot of this stuff and don't share about it because you're not looking for, you know, for gloat. But I think it's important people do share stories like this because it shows other generations that this is important, right, like giving people your time and energy and what you can give is important. You know, and I think again, like I said earlier, you know, one thing I've always admired about you is like, when I've spoken to you, like you're fully present, like you're there. You know, it's not like you're, like you have so much going on in your life, just like I do, but there's just this energy around you. That's like you know you're fully listening with your heart to somebody in need, and I think it's also beautiful how much concern and care you have for your people and ones that are struggling, because you consistently show up for people in need as much capacity as you have. You know, and I think that's just such a beautiful thing to pass on to anyone, specifically children, right, and that's how we teach empathy.
Speaker 1:Empathy is such a thing that we've lacked even in our political, social spectrums these days. I mean, you look how most people speak to each other and a lot of times it lacks empathy. It's really just like me versus them, or that person's an outsider because they're from a different side of a fence or a different country or a different culture, or they speak a different language or they believe in a different religion. At the end of the day, those are barriers we just construct in our head, right? And I think empathy is sort of that through line, to reach people and to see like, hey, I was born who I am. I could have easily been born who they are. You know, how can I seek to understand them more and how can we learn from each other?
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, you know, I on our way back from Navajo Nation, our son. He's in sixth grade now, and so he had a project about writing an essay, formulating questions, interviewing somebody and all of these things, and the subject was around 9-11, september 11th, the terrible tragedy that happened 23 years ago. Yesterday happened, yeah, 20, 23 years ago yesterday. Um, and one of the questions he came up with was um, how do you think this tragedy elevated patriotism and um, you know, for, for the nation? And I just I remember responding as like I think, for once, this country avoided patriotism. I think the country avoided um, I vote this way, I'm with this political party, and what?
Speaker 1:was really present was humanity.
Speaker 2:You know, I can't think of any other moment since I was born of when humanity, the level of humanity, the level of care, thought, genuine, were together. You know, then, on this day, 23 years ago, the day after, you know, I vividly remember where I think everybody does or everybody probably can, but I see he shared, he asked a lot of deep questions, great questions about that, and you know it's so unfortunate that it took a tragedy of that magnitude to wake us up.
Speaker 1:You know, Yep, yeah, I would hope that at some point it doesn't take death and persecution to bring us together and we can do it with the foresight of like this is a healthier way to exist. But I agree, I think that that's probably the last time in at least the history of the US where people have felt bonded together through their struggles and through their know, pinned against each other through their differences. And you know, we can even take that and zoom out a little bit and look at the entire earth and how like that's played, with different world wars and different social drivers and different, you know, religions growing, and I think that ultimately it's really just about being good humans and treating each other, you know, with respect and honoring that people are going to be different I think, different than you and that doesn't mean that they're any less or any more, and it's about connecting.
Speaker 1:And it's interesting. I've built some of the most beautiful friendships with people that I don't agree with on a lot of things, but they're just still good people. We have great discussions and the goal isn't to sit in front of someone and change their mind, it's to understand them, and if people can understand each other, you know, you end up kind of being your mind is changed a little bit. Anyways, you know, and most people I would say like deep down inside are, are really sort of aligned with something because there's an absence of something else. Right, Like they're struggling to put food on the table, or you know they, you know, have had some sort of trauma, or they're alone, you know, and or they're scared, or they're angry at something because something happened to them. You know, I think when we start listening to each other and really start respecting like the different stories we all come from, we end up having a lot more.
Speaker 1:Again, going back to the word empathy for somebody, you know, and now, unfortunately, with a lot of like, the divisive words in politics it's especially with social media having exacerbated that it's easy to see people just get angry at someone else because of, like, what color they voted. You know and I'm like man there's so much more to us as human beings than just simplifying it like that. There's a lot more gray than black and white. You know, in the universe and I think what you're speaking to is like you, giving to others has helped you see that more and more and more. And it's interesting because when I work with clients now as a counselor, like for people that are struggling with depression or loneliness or anxiety, or maybe they're spending holidays by themselves, they don't have a family or they've had to separate from their family for reasons I'm always like, if you feel alone, go volunteer.
Speaker 1:Like I remember when I was an athlete this was probably in 2015 or 2016 at Flagstaff I was spending a Thanksgiving alone and I was feeling like really alone, you know, and I went to Soup Kitchen I can't remember what nonprofit was putting it on, but for Thanksgiving I just made burritos and then I walked around town and passed out burritos to homeless people.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've had a more fun Thanksgiving, honestly, like I shook hands with all these people, had these conversations that I was not expecting, but once again felt so full after, literally emotionally, spiritually full from that and I remember you speak to your grandparents a lot my thought that he was my father figure in life. He didn't have a lot of money, didn't come from a lot, but he also was raised on a horse ranch, grew up with 16 brothers and sisters and he was one of the oldest and he was always a provider. There's that sense of that just healthy masculine energy being around him and I'd always remember when I was a little kid, like eight or nine years old, he'd pick me up from school and we would go get a McDonald's or Happy.
Speaker 1:Meal or something and anyone that was peddling asking for money. He would always if he had cash in his wallet, he'd always stop right and he'd be like he would have a conversation with them, he would shake their hands, he would look them in the eye and make them feel human. Right, because a lot of people they just zone out. This is a homeless person peddling. I'm just driving right past them, right, and I remember asking I was like why would you give someone money't know that they're going to do that? Right, that's why I have a conversation with him. And also he's like if you just assume that someone's going to keep doing things the same way, you never allow space and opportunity for them to change. Right, and I think, like what he had said is like that person could be any of us, right, and he's like I would hope that someone would help me if I was in that situation and at least give me the time of day you know and say God bless, like you know, keep trying, because you don't know what happened to that person's life. Right, and he always sort of said things like that.
Speaker 1:And it's interesting because as you get older you're like man, what? Like that's some freaking wisdom that I did not realize was being imparted on. You know my small brain as a kid, but that really is what taught me empathy, you know, for people that weren't related to me, that weren't like my inner circle, family. And then now, you know, even in days where I'm like having a bad day or like you know, I try to remind myself like if everyone's having a bad day and I'm only focused on my bad day, then no one's day is going to get better, you know. And so if I focus on also helping someone else improve their day, my day will also get better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think there's so many opportunities around us to give and it doesn't always have to be around, you know, let me, let me pull out my wallet, you know it's. You know time. You mentioned the soup kitchen. I, I, I just I recently volunteered, two weeks ago, um, like a the the food bank.
Speaker 2:You know, um, I mean, it's amazing how, for for many families I that I never knew that the numbers, like how many elders, uh, again, we're talking about salt lake city, um, you know, older people here um really depend on all of that. It's like, wow, you know, I was mopping and moving pallets around and you know things like that. However, that's all part of the the process to be able to get you get people fed, you know, and I think, um, no matter what, how big our town is, um, you know, we can always give. We can always give of our time, our kindness, our uh, you know, you know prayers, if, if, if you're a praying person, that's that doesn't cost much, Um it takes a little genuine, being sincere, and you know, and um and uh, there's a lot of things that we can do, where the return is always, you know.
Speaker 2:That's why I say I mean in the Facebook post I reference, you know, the windows of heaven. That's a scripture referencing paying your tithing and that the windows of heaven will open up unto you, you know.
Speaker 2:And I've experienced that, you know, many times by giving so little I got so much back, and I think that it's just eight hours one day out of 365, one three, sixty-fifth of a year. You know, that's a very small sliver that again will make a big impact, and so I think I think we all can can give and help and assist in whatever community that really uh allows us to feel present, that allows us to feel uh needed, or a part of you know doesn't have to just revolve around running or sports or biking, or it could be I don't know fixing hard drives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely no. What you're saying is you always have a gift to give. You just have to understand what it is or what they are. You know and go that way. So, but before I let you go, milo, I want to know, like, how can people get involved? I know a lot of times you'll sell your creative work, your photography, and a lot of those proceeds will go to some sort of philanthropy you're working in or investing in. How can people get involved with you? Where can they go to follow you? I want you to mention the documentary that was filmed about you too, because that was freaking beautiful. It's a documentary filmed about.
Speaker 1:Milo called Milo. That came out I think, like three, four years ago now. Right, sony? Sony put that together with Chris.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, sony put that together with my good friend, chris Burkhardt. So if you go on YouTube, you can put in the keywords Sony, milo, and then the trailer and the full film will probably pop up. That really shows you know the place I got to call home. You know learning from horses, learning from the farm, and um, you got a new beautiful film. That um, uh, that um, you know, supported by um, my, my other brand partner, which is Thule. It's a biking film. It's a beautiful Navajo story where I biked 455 miles, I think it is from the Bonneville Salt Flats all the way back home. We did that, so now we're circulating that through film festivals and it's a beautiful story called Savoring Joy, about the little things, as small as grains of salt, that bring us the joy that lasts. So more of that will be available, um, at different film festivals and um, over the last since the gold king, mine still our our focus.
Speaker 2:Everything I do is really funnel back down to powering more homes of kids that don't have electricity, across, uh, just the Navajo Nation, however, other indigenous communities, because the stories are almost quite parallel, quite mirroring, and so I had worked with a national nonprofit called Heart of America. Their website's heartofamericaorg and in years past about and this is before, is before covid. So, gosh, that's several years ago, several years back, where we uh took solar kits down to southern utah and installed them in homes there and gave out a bunch of books, school and art supplies to set the kids straight for the school year. And then, when the pandemic happened, another really nice organization wanted to hand me a check, you know, a five-figure check. However, I had to be a 501c3. And I said, look, I don't even have the bandwidth or the time to figure that out after, you know, weeks of getting books and doing online classes and courses. And it's like, okay, it's, you know. But I said, hey, what if we take your check after weeks of getting books and doing online classes and courses? And it's like, okay, it's, you know. But I said, hey, what if we take your chat to Heart of America and we do the exact same thing? And from then on, it's just taken off like a rocket and the other.
Speaker 2:Actually, earlier this week, just a few days ago, I was in Anaheim, uh, downtown Disney, at um, a big solar conference. They're talking about our story and the impact of that solar makes. Um, you know, and and I really think, the engineers and the teams that were developing these products that allow solar to work, and it's like look you might. You might feel like you're on a computer here in California or somewhere in the country or somewhere in the world.
Speaker 2:However, all of your efforts, education degrees, sacrifice time, money, whatever you put into this is actually working to help hundreds of families have power, to have, you know, connectivity, because now they've got something to run their internet, their hotspots or recharge the Chromebooks that the schools are giving out. It's like it's actually working and it's providing power to the next generation. So now we've just got a massive program in place with Heart of America. So if you go to the again the website heartofamericaorg, you can look under. I believe there should be something there that says Native America or Indigenous Services, and you'll see some videos there, a lot of insight of how every dollar that's donated there goes specifically to the projects that we do in terms of education equity.
Speaker 1:Awesome man. And then how can people get in touch with you? I know you have a couple of different social channels. Can you share those with us? And I'll throw all the links to everything in the show notes too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm most active on Instagram, which is Navajo, Milo, milo, uh, so, yeah, just N-A-V-A-J-O-M-Y-L-O, and then, um, I'm also, uh, fairly active on threads as well, uh, so, and then Facebook is just a Milo Fowler, so, um, yeah, that's, that's the way to get ahold of me If you, if you have any questions about photography or maybe an interest in learning more. One thing that I find very important, uh, is I get a ton of dms, and my goal is every day, that that number is at a zero. Um, I love to respond to people, um, and, and I think being able to connect that way is is is such a, such a great opportunity to share more of who we are, where we come from, and I've just made some really awesome friendships through.
Speaker 1:Instagram people that I've never met.
Speaker 2:And it's like right now. There's one gal. Her name is Veronica. She's biking across like Eastern Europe. Her name is Veronica, she's biking across like Eastern Europe and she joined us for two days in Norway a year ago when Chris, when Burkhardt and I were biking there, she saw that he was over there and somehow she found us out in the middle of nowhere and she biked with us for like two days and then she's been on her bike from Spain and just like going on this massive. It's just been so fun to keep in touch with her and see all just the places she goes on a bike. You know, you never know who you're going to come across and what you may learn from them, and I think that's the beautiful thing about being a storyteller is before you. Even that you've got to be a great listener and everybody has a story to share.
Speaker 1:Amen, my man, I think there's some books in your future too, dude. You got a lot to share with the world outside of the film world too, and I just want to say I'm so proud of everything that you've done. You know, and just the father you've become I mean I was able to meet you, you know, pretty much a decade ago now and just the growth, and I mean your talent able to meet you pretty much a decade ago now, and just the growth and I mean your talent continues to increase Like you're one of the best photographers I've ever seen when I met you and you're certainly even better now and I appreciate your friendship from the times I've talked to you and you've always been a resource, especially for photography.
Speaker 1:I remember reaching out to you when I was getting one of my first Nikon cameras and I was like, dude, what lenses do I need? And you were very, very helpful with that. You know, yeah, man. So, milo, thank you so much, dude, for joining me. It's been a wonderful to hear a little bit about your story.
Speaker 2:I'd love to have you back on at some point. Anytime you have a project or something you're inspired about, you want, you want to get out there and share with the world. And yeah, man, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, nico. Thank you, absolutely. I do have a book coming out, um, uh, we're going to title it, um, medicine. So it'll be good, beautiful. So when is that Do you have?
Speaker 1:like an idea for when that's coming out.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm hoping to have it, uh, by April, um, by April, so a lot of the a lot of um by April.
Speaker 2:So a lot of the, a lot of um. I'll have more space to elaborate on again. Why, uh, you know, photography has, has allowed me to have the life, the career that I have, and ultimately it comes back to knowing that we are each other's medicine. So, uh, appreciate your time, nico, you're you're a rock star, really appreciate your. Appreciate your time, nico, you're a rock star, really appreciate your platform and your ability to connect us Hopefully you have a good day too, Hopefully you have a good day.
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