What Actually Changes A Person with Gloria Brun Del Rey

You can feel it when someone is performing for the internet and you can feel it when someone is telling the truth. That’s why I wanted to sit down with Gloria Brun Del Rey, a 23-year-old creator from Switzerland who went from a brutal personal low point to posting one honest video every day and quickly building a huge community around meaning, purpose, and self-awareness. She’s also a Swiss military veteran and a former psychology student, which adds a grounded edge to the way she talks about “energy” and the law of attraction.

We get into what actually changes a person: solitude, loss, and the decision to stop hedging. Gloria shares how hitting rock bottom pushed her to trust her instincts, follow small impulses, and create without chasing an outcome. I also share my own perspective on “laws of the universe,” grief, and why love can feel like a real force you can’t fully measure, especially after losing someone you shared your life with. We talk about the mental habit of labeling events as good or bad, how that label lives inside us, and how accountability can give your life back to you.

You’ll also hear practical guidance that’s simple and hard: spend more time alone, sit in silence, stop feeding your mind constant input, and see what rises to the surface when you’re not distracted. If you’ve been craving clarity, authenticity, mindfulness, or a healthier relationship with social media, this one will meet you where you are. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs it, and leave a review with the biggest idea you’re taking into your week.

Check her out on Instagram @GloriaDelRe and on YouTube youtube.com/@gloriadelre?

Transcript

Keep Pushing Cold Open

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Keep pushing. Keep pushing. Keep pushing. I need you to be a minister for a moment. And find somebody sitting in your general vicinity. Look them dead in the eyes if they owe you $20. Tell them neighbor. Whatever you do. Keep pushing. Keep pushing. Keep pushing. Keep pushing. In the world that we're living in right now. How is one supposed to find serenity and sanity and strength in the world we live in right now?

unknown 0:41

I keep pushing.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

What is up, y'all? Good morning. Welcome back. Um apologies for not launching an episode in the past couple months after the most recent one. The plan was to get back to every Monday and uh, you know, life just started the life again. Um my uh my 94-year-old grandmother um had acute heart failure recently, so I've been helping out with her care a lot, and um just a ton of other stuff going on uh in my life right now. Um that is uh a handful of it's really positive stuff, but just just a lot. It's taking a lot of my time and um no excuse because I I want to keep up with the podcast, but it's just about free time and honestly energy. Um my arm's still sucking a lot of my energy out of me. Um unfortunately, in particular as I start to run more, um try and run a little bit more again,

Real Life Updates And Energy Check

SPEAKER_02 1:35

and it's uh it's definitely been an uphill battle um with the arm causing causing overuse issues and and other things and just other areas of my body due to um how it changes my gait and that builds up over time. But uh today's guest is is a pretty unique one, I would say. She I think she's the youngest guest ever on the show. She's 23 years old. And I first came across came across Glorious Content, of course, on Instagram. Um one of her videos just was in my like recommended thing, popped up for me, and I really liked how this young lady um looked at the world. I liked a lot of her ideas. She had a very like nuanced perspective on a lot of things, um, particularly for her age. I just I found it fascinating. Um she's also uh from Switzerland, so not from the States uh from Europe, and I figured um it'd be cool to have her on to talk about her her um just what what brought her to do the work that she's doing right now, which is really unique. I mean she's a veteran in from the military and she got into this work. Um obviously she's probably been doing this sort of stuff for a while now, you know, just like grab this sort of deep thought out of thin air. But uh she's had some really significant um some really significant uh growth on social media. Like she was saying she just started her Instagram a couple months ago and she shot up to 160,000 right away. And not that that's indicative of like great content, because obviously people can go viral for a myriad of things on the internet, but her content is really deep um and particularly resonating to people that are searching for some sort of meaning, purpose, um, understanding deeper than the surface level within life. So kudos to her for being 23 and for um engaging in such deep discussion. Uh we have a really broad conversation about a lot of things that she likes to talk about on her profile, and she ac actually asks me, she poses me some thoughtful questions, which is rare for a guest. I always appreciate when a guest just sort of flips it around um and asks me some insightful questions. That's that's always really nice because I get to kind of um give a little bit more of my perspective than normally than I normally would be on the on the sort of the interview side of things, um the interviewer side of things, I should say. Uh you can find Gloria at Gloria Del Rey on Instagram, G-L-O-R-I-A-D-E-L-R-E. Go check her out. Um, she's doing some courses, she started a YouTube channel. Um her uh her bio in her Instagram, it kind of speaks for herself. Growth over comfort, authenticity over perfection, peace over everything. So go check her out. And just one little quick side note last um last episode that launched, you might have noticed my mic was a little bit wonky, and that's because the input was changed to the camera by accident, not in my actual podcast e mic in front of me. This uh episode was filmed the same day, so unfortunately the same issue happened, but that's not gonna happen again. That was a total accident, so bear with me. I edited the sound as much as I could, so it still um is is okay to listen

Meet Gloria And Why She Stands Out

SPEAKER_02 4:40

to, but promise the content in this episode is wonderful. So stick with me through the episode, and and again, apologies for the um for the sound quality for this one. Without further ado, let's get to the show. I like it. Wow, that's crazy that it's so it's still so light out, but I guess you you are pretty north, so that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

When does it get dark for you then?

SPEAKER_02 5:03

7 45 right now. I know. And that's like that's like the longest days we have, and maybe like eight o'clock because it was just summer solstice like a week ago.

SPEAKER_04 5:13

No way.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:14

Oh.

unknown 5:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

And how are you? How was your day?

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Oh, my day was wonderful. I was I spend the whole day near the lake in the sun. So it was good.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

It's cool to be to meet you in person, even virtually, because I feel like you have this very warm energy about you. And uh like I like I talked to you when we did our pre-call, you know, like obviously I first got exposed to your Instagram because you've been gaining a lot of followers recently, right? You just started Instagram or social media like a couple months ago, and now you're already above 100,000, you know, um, followers on Instagram. And when I was watching some of your videos, because it came up in my organic, like like whatever recommended profiles, some of the stuff you're saying is like, this is some profound stuff. And then I didn't know how old you are. And so like you're 23, right? So now I believe you're the youngest person that I've invited on the show, which is super cool for a handful of reasons, because I want to get your perspective on a lot of things because your generation is is uh it's coming into its own now, right? Like, like to keep working in that generation. There's a lot of like leadership roles, a lot of things changing, particularly with like how the world is affected. And um, I want to talk about like your history. We spoke a little bit about kind of your background and like you know, what you were looking at doing what you studied in school, and what kind of you know, what it I guess evolved into. But like, Gloria, tell me a little bit about like maybe what we discussed yesterday on like how you got to where you are right now, right? Because what you're doing on social media, sort of the content you're putting out there, the messages you're sharing, like how did you become that person, you know, with this depth and these ideas? And have you always been like that, or were there some things in your life that happened that kind of like ushered you into that?

SPEAKER_03 7:10

Okay, so I could go like very deep into it, but go as deep as you want.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Like, go. I mean, we have plenty of time. So whatever feels comfortable

Hitting Rock Bottom And Starting Daily Posts

SPEAKER_02 7:20

to you, I think it's like relevant for the audience because they're listening and they don't know, they don't have any background, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:27

Okay, so basically, where do I start? So I was born and raised in Switzerland, right? And I I grew up in a very normal household, like I mean, you can't really define normal, but like we never had any issues with money or stuff. We weren't rich either, but I had a good life, and well then I had to deal with a lot of family problems, and my my parents they split up and stuff like that, like all these things that can happen, you know. It's like I'm super grateful for everything that happened. Um and I I experienced a lot, I don't know, like I'm I'm not gonna mention it now because you said you asked about the social media kind of aspect, so I'm gonna go into that. We can we can talk about other stuff later if you want to. But for me, it was like I hit a very low point in my life last September, October last year, and that was when I pretty much lost everything that you could imagine on the physical level. So I lost friends, I lost money, um, I I lost my well, I didn't have a job, but like I lost my apartment and like pretty much everything. Alright. And it was in this phase, like it was from September to January, where I really spent a lot of time alone, and a lot of struggles and a lot of like figuring out what am I even like I I questioned everything in my whole life, like what am I even doing? Who am I even like what is this supposed to be? What am I doing here? And then it was just like one day in January, I think I believe it was the 6th or 7th of January, I woke up and I was like, okay, you know what? I cannot lose, I I possibly cannot lose anymore because I've already lost so much, so I can't lose anymore. So I will just fully trust whatever I believe to know about like how the world works, energy, like laws of the universe and all that stuff, you know, because the problem is so many people, they know so many things, just like me, like they read books, they look up YouTube videos and stuff, but I don't live any of it. So I was like, okay, I'm just gonna, you know, I'm just gonna cut off every every hedge, like I'm not gonna hedge, and then I'm just gonna fully trust because I've got nothing to lose. And then and then I think it was like two days later, I had a dream. Alright? So I I was like in this state where you're not fully awake and you're not asleep. I think you know that state, right? Like right before falling asleep. And it hit me like a punch in the face. It was like an idea coming to me, and it said, You're gonna post every single day a video on Instagram for the rest of the year. That was the idea, and I didn't understand it. I was like, okay, and then literally the next day, that's day one. So that was day one, that's when I started, and I don't know, I just had this feeling that I'm going, I'm I'm I'm gonna follow my instincts now, you know, like I'm gonna follow these small impulses, these small ideas. That's where I get my videos from as well. So every video that I post, it's just like it's just one impulse throughout a day that I get, and then I materialize it into like a visual MP4 format, and that's it. That's how it helps it.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

I love it. All right, so let's because I have a bunch of questions for you, obviously, but I want

Psychology School And Swiss Military Leadership

SPEAKER_02 12:05

to I want to talk a little bit about like the military part of it because I was super surprised to hear that, right? Because when I saw your content, I didn't know that was that was your background at all, and that we have like you know, pilot in common and you wanted to fly. So can you share a little bit about like maybe what you were studying in college, right? Like what you told me about, you know, you were studying psychology in college and you kind of felt that lonely experience, and then you decided you know you maybe wanted to go, you know, become a pilot. Like, tell me about that. Tell me about that loneliness, tell me about studying psychology. How did that propel you to what you're doing right now, and then how did wanting to fly and like being in the military sort of blend into that too?

SPEAKER_03 12:43

Well, I always had a big love for aviation, but I think it comes initially, it comes from my brother because he's older than me, he's like 34, I believe now. And he like I I got a lot from him because I just watched him live his life and then I adapted it because I didn't know better. But I always had this love for aviation, so and I always actually wanted to go to the military, but I never had really a reason to. It was just also like a feeling, but I felt like I had to have a good reason for it, which is dumb, I know, but like I felt like that. And then I started um I started studying psychology because that was a fun that's a funny story as well. Well, actually, I started studying psychology because I'm very interested in that field, but I had like a lot of um subjects, so I wanted to study medicine, sports, um, biology, chemistry because that's like super super interesting for me as well. And then I just I rolled the dice and it landed on psychology, so I studied that. And but that's how I ended up in this, and I was super grateful for it as well. But I don't know, like after one year, I found myself in this you could even say like hamster wheel, because every day was just the same, you know. Like I was waking up at 8 a.m. I was driving to uni well, actually, I was walking because I was living very nearby, and then going home, studying, sleeping, and just to do it all over again, just to have a degree at the end of three years to be able to do the same thing just for money for the rest of my life. I was like, okay, I gotta take a break, I gotta do something else. And then I was like, okay, but I always wanted to go to the military, and this is the perfect time. And then I even I I didn't tell you that on our call yesterday, but I even took flying lessons. Like, I even did like I did tests, I did um like simulation stuff, like exams, and I took flying lessons and all these courses that you have to take to be able to go to the military and do that fighter pilot stuff. And I did that, and then I when I enrolled in the army, um I did that with the function of the military police because I could have chosen like any function, it didn't matter. Um well, and then I just I noticed very quickly that I don't want to work for the military, like for like in that way for the government, you know. But then I decided to just stay longer because I felt like the experience and the things that I'm learning there are priceless. So I I say like two years, you know. I I what what do you call it in in the US? Like I ranked up or I'm yeah, like ranked up promotions basically. Yeah, yeah, got promoted uh I think three times. I at the end I even like I I was um I was leading a section of like 50 people, like 50 soldiers, planning their whole day, you know, like as a lieutenant, you do all that kind of so you were an officer. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Okay, so you had you already got your degree, your college degree then?

SPEAKER_03 16:42

No.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

No, not yet, okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

No, yeah, and then yeah, I'm like I had a lot of different and also like a lot of how do you say difficult situations there, which I'm super grateful for as well, because that taught me a lot. Yeah, yeah, it's cool.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

So

Laws Of The Universe Meets Real Life

SPEAKER_02 17:10

going through that now when we sort of text a little bit, I was like, hey, what do you want to chat about, right? Because you're you're you talk about all these topics, and you were like, energy and like law of the universe, which is a very like broad thing. So, like, start me off with like what do you want to focus on in terms of your perspective on like the like laws of the universe, energy, how everything like like give me give let's let's intro that and then I can ask some questions. You know, give me some of your perspective in that regard and maybe maybe where it comes from. Like, how did you develop some of these thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 17:45

Well, for me, it's like I think it's one puzzle piece of my purpose is just to like talk to people about it because I see myself like as a how can you how can you describe it like as a vessel that like just that life flows through, you know? And this was also like with social media, this was just one experiment because I was like, okay, I'm just gonna fully trust it, and like and and sort of apply like what I know to be true about the laws of the universe, and then I'm gonna be like the living example of that this works, you know, and this is like I literally oh my god, you have no like I literally I I gained like over a hundred K followers in less than three months. Like that makes no sense, like physically and whatever, like it's not rational, it's not logical, nothing. And this is just like this is how it started, but I'm like, I don't know. I just love to talk about it, maybe. I don't know if this is gonna be like a super one-sided conversation, but like you can ask me stuff too.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

Like, I'm always open. I just yeah, do you ask questions as much as you want? I actually love when people sort of engage and ask questions on the show, like vice versa. It rarely happens because usually like I'm interviewing people, um, but I think it it leads into deeper conversations when you engage in that way. So feel free by all means. Like if something comes, like interrupt me, let's let's talk.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

How do you feel like well, maybe it's a very like broad question or basic, but like when you hear laws of the universe or energy, like what's what situations from your own life come to your mind, and how do you like what's your perspective on it?

Grief, Music, And Love As Energy

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Okay, so I'll break it up into two parts because I think laws of the universe and energy are related, but I think they're different things to ponder. Okay, so laws of the universe, when I hear those words together, like there's not a there's not a lot of non-physical laws I believe in universally. So, like, you know, gravity, for instance, like if you jump off a bridge, you won't be able to fly, right? That's a law of our universe, like that's tangible, right? The fact that we all die, that mortality is guaranteed no matter what. Even if we figure out a way to like preserve our consciousness and brain, like it's I think most people would probably still choose to die at some point because honestly, I think death is the biggest teacher of life. It makes everything valuable. Like without death, there is no value because mortality is value, right? Um, I know everyone wants to live longer and look younger these days, and that's all fine. Um, I think it's a I think I think there's a healthy part of that and then a narcissistic part of that, that's duality in society. But I think in general, my idea of laws in the universe is very physical sense. In terms of like emotional and intellectual, I personally don't feel like there's a lot of laws that govern experience in that way. I think it's really open to perspective and it's pretty subjective based on our own human realm in our brains and our heads, with our emotions and whatever you know we've experienced through life, through birth, through adolescence, through adulthood, all these experiences make us who we are. These like trillions of different moments in time that like come together to create a human, a person. Like an and but then the other side of that is you brought up energy, and like for me, you know, I grew up Catholic, I grew up religious, uh, which I was very, very appreciative of. I'm not very religious anymore. Um, I do enjoy going to certain churches once in a while, more so to be around a group of people celebrating something greater than themselves, which I which again we can relate back to energy, right? Like, like love for me is energy. You know, it's something that we can study physically, we can look at the brain, we can look at what you know our body does in terms of like cellular level, but we can't really, we're never really gonna be able to quantify it, right? And the closest thing being a musician in my mind that has ever gotten close to describing certain energetic experiences. Life is music, and that's why people, when they go through breakups or when they lose someone to death, or for instance, something like my dog I just lost to passing, right? Music is probably one of the closest things that makes me feel an emotion that gets me so close to the memory of the point in time I'm experiencing grief from, right? And so, like, I'll explain it this way. Like, I was running down um the big mountain in the town I live in here in Flagstaff two days ago on Friday, and I hadn't been up there in eight years because of my injuries um because of my surgeries. And my dog who passed away, soul, used to be uh, I mean, she was everywhere with me. So we trained together, she's basically a pro runner with me in the mountains, and I hadn't ever summited that mountain outside of the wintertime because it's avalanche issues, so your dog's not with you. But I have never summited that mountain while it's dry in the summertime without her. She's been with me since 2013. I started really running full-time in 2014. So she's always with me, right? So as I was coming down, I went up with a friend, but I ran down by myself. I was listening to this song, and it was like a very um, it's like a very meditational song. It's like, it's like kind of like there's a lot of like uh like like you know, um and like yoga, you know, like that kind of noise. And there's like there's like drums in the background. And um, I I don't know, I can't remember which artist it's by. I think it's by Paul Horn. He's like a you know, he does a lot of meditation music. And I didn't, I didn't plan it. It just like came on in this like playlist I had, and it's like a 10-minute long song. So I just put it on repeat because it put me in this in this state of feeling so grateful for having had her in my life, you know. When I when I became injured well through these surgeries, and when my life kind of my partner and I split up at the time, all these negative things happened in my mind, they were negative right at the time. And now there was like this great gratitude I felt just running down where it's like, look, my body's not gonna be the same. But I I like had tears coming out of my eyes because when I was really grateful for having a dog like that who had loved me for so long, who honestly has raised me because I was 23, so I was your age when I got her, and I'm 36 now. And um, I was able to, you know, she's flown all over the world with me. And then I also felt like so many times, and you talked about loneliness in your college like pursuit of the degree. I've felt lonely for a lot of part of my life. And it's not because I didn't have people that love me, it's because I rarely had someone that could witness and see me for everything I am, right? Not just an athlete, not just a musician, not just like a person that wants to help other people, but like everything from how I feel, from how I see, from my empathy, from how I connect with others. Like there are many things I do for people that people will never see, and I don't go out there promoting that. That's just who I am, you know? But when someone can witness that and truly see you for everything you are, not just the good things, but the bad things, like that is a beautiful part. It like it just makes you feel uh whole because someone is witnessing everything, and that that takes a really unique person to do, right? And so as I was running down the trail, I just felt this immense gratitude for all the people in my life that have witnessed that totally, all of me on some level, you know, and I could relate that to my dog because I've I felt for so long that I've been running alone, that I've been doing this by myself. You know, obviously I've been grateful of people supporting me, but um, I just I don't know, it's like my perspective, it wasn't like an epiphany. I felt it before, but it was just it was like an embrace of me doing this thing without her, but she's still with me. You know, I I like wear her dog tag on me now since she passed away, you know. Um and I I just like it's interesting because when I was running, there's a there's a noise it makes when it hits another piece of metal. And it's very familiar because for 12 years I listened to that noise either behind me or in front of me, and it's a very specific noise on her collar, and it reminds me of her. And as that like noise was being made when I was running, I could hear it faintly through like my headphones that I had on when I was running, listening to that song. And it just made me feel like um this again, this huge amount of love when you talk about energy like this. Like, it's like it makes me feel so grateful to be alive, even through suffering, right? You know, you're right. And you're you're smiling because I know you're understanding what I'm saying, right? You're you're feeling you're witnessing this. And so one, I appreciate the question. You asked a very deep, um, thoughtful question. But I I think I'll I'll I'll close on this and put the ball back in your court. Like, I think a lot of us, including myself, get so stuck on all the deficiencies in life, right? I've been shortchanged this, someone I loved passed away prematurely. Um, a relationship ended that I didn't want to end, I lost income, I got diagnosed with some health thing, or something did me wrong, right? The medical system, a partner, a family member, whatever. And that's all, those are all parts of reality. But I think there's also things happening and conspiring, also, that are the opposite of that, because it's relative, right? And we get to focus on what we want to focus on. I don't think there's ever gonna be a life that doesn't not have suffering, you know. And I I think of it this way like I don't believe in fate anymore because I think there's so many people whose lives get ended prematurely, and I feel very entitled, or I would feel very elitist to say, like, oh, fate is working in my, you know, my back, my background, but for theirs, it was just, you know, whatever, God's will or whatever it happened, right? I just don't feel comfortable making that statement anymore. What I do feel comfortable saying though is that we always have a choice on what we want to align with in terms of energetically, right? And I have my bad days and I still have moods and I still get angry and all those things that are human experiences. But what I try not to let happen is I try to not let it become a pattern, right? If I have a day where like my pain on my arm is really hurting me, I try to just rest and I try to be grateful for what I can do, that I have two legs that can still move me when many people don't, that I still have a body that can allow me to go help others and do things, right? Um, I I can I still try to be appreciative of the things it can do for me instead of like being angry at what it can't do anymore, instead of being angry at like what other people did to my body to make it this way, because this is really like a surgical thing that surgeons and western medicine and here in the states really cause. You know, and I feel like that perspective change has really allowed me to just be kinder a little bit, a little bit more kinder to myself and what I wake up to every day. I know it was a long-winded answer, but that's what I that's what I got for you.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

That's so cool. That's a beautiful answer. I'm so sorry about the loss of your dog. I also look at pictures of was it a her, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Yep, yep, soul as a girl. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 28:45

Such a beautiful dog.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

She was a cutie. Thank you. I appreciate you and your condolences. It means a lot, truly. Like, I I uh that's one thing that I'll never get um tired talking about is my dog.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

I believe you. Yeah, I think I think what you said about like

Labels, Truth, And Choosing Your Focus

SPEAKER_03 29:05

you can choose where to focus your awareness on, right? And I think that what you that's what you will get more of. And also, that's funny because I lately, like, I think three days ago, I had a had a conversation with a good friend, and I said to him, like, we were talking about bad things happening in lives, you know, like bad things happening to him or me or whatever we experienced, and I said to him, like, there is no such thing as good things or bad things happening in your life, because like the label good or bad, like, where does it happen? Like, where does that labeling happen? Does it happen in the outside reality or does it happen in here? So, where are you gonna fix it? Like, you're trying to fix something in outside reality that's happening in here, actually. So it's like you can choose whether it's good or bad, and like everything that happens to you, it's not a problem, like the situation itself, it's not a problem, you know. The problem is that you are resisting it, or that you think it should be different, or it should have happened differently.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

But maybe this is exactly how it should have happened.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Right. It's interesting because it it makes me what you're saying, it makes me think of like the idea of truth, like the term truth. And so many people are like, well, this is my truth, and they expect everyone around them to validate that truth, right? And and in actuality, pretty much all of our truths are somewhat subjective based on our experience and how we're relating to in the moment. And what you're saying is like stepping away from that and trying to look at it a little bit more objectively. And I think that is honestly one of the biggest goals if if someone's practicing good therapy or good psychology, if they're seeing a client, in my perspective, is that they're they're trying to help someone see more of the total truth, not just their own truth and their own experience. And whether that means you've been hurt, it's okay. But at any time we've we're experiencing pain, we might be causing some too. And a lot of people don't want to admit that because they'd rather sort of be a victim because it's kind of easier to like just blame it on something else. But I like what you're saying because it I feel like it's what I try to help others see is like if you're not gonna be accountable for your ability to choose your experience, then something else is gonna choose it for you. Something else or someone else, right, is gonna choose it for you. And it's not to say that like people don't impact us, they absolutely do. But we get to choose the people in our lives, how they're impacting it. And I think it's like it's it's one of the reasons why I gravitate toward people towards people who speak like you, it's because there's this level of self-awareness that I see looming over someone where like before they speak, I can literally kind of see them thinking about what they're gonna say and how it relates to what I'm saying and what they're gonna say in terms of how it's gonna make me feel and how it's gonna like present them because they're concerned with how they're communicating versus just saying what they're feeling. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 32:47

Yeah, I think I know what you mean. Yeah, that's cool. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

So so tell me a little bit about like your perspective, because you asked me the question on like my thoughts around law of the universe, energy. Let me flip it back on you and give you space to like share a little bit about what you think.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

Oh, I wasn't mentally prepared for this. Okay, wait, let me think.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

So you need to be though. That's the cool thing.

Solitude, Silence, And Seeing Clearly

SPEAKER_03 33:21

Well, for me, it has changed a lot. Like the past few months. I feel like everything has changed, like my whole view of the world has changed because for me, like energy is everything, you know. It's literally if you break it down, it's just physics, but it's everything. So literally everything I'm looking at, even my hand, if you zoom in, it's all made of atoms, and those atoms they have just these electrons swirling around and stuff, and they're like floated, so it's like potential, but initially like eventually it's all just energy, right, and frequency, and so I don't know for me when I started, and this also I only started to think about this or like be aware of it because I was alone, because before I never had the time to actually even give it a thought, you know, and that's like that's why all those people that ask me, like, oh my god, can you give me some tips? By the way, I oh my god, you have no idea, Nico. I get so many DMs like daily people asking me, like, oh my god, can you teach me this? Can you teach me that? And da da da da da da. And I'm like, to most of the people, I just I just tell them, like, spend time alone, spend more time alone. Because you're distracted. You're like, you can't you cannot see clearly. You don't need more, you need less.

SPEAKER_02 35:09

Do you do you give them caveats like spend more time alone and don't get on social media and don't scroll? Because I feel like some people, a lot of people, including myself, will spend time alone and I'll get bored, and because boredom, you know, I can just get stuck, and that's not really helping me be alone, right? Because I feel connected to something out there versus just being alone and having to actually like sit with my own thoughts and feelings.

SPEAKER_03 35:32

Yeah, I tell them, I tell them they should at least sit in silence for like 40 minutes a day. And they just they should just blank, they should just stare at their walls for 40 minutes without anything. Because that's what I did my like the whole day in this particular phase. Like I didn't do anything. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

I I asked you about this yesterday, and your answer was interesting because you said you really weren't looking, but I I find it, you know, it's it's interesting to talk to someone from your generation because dating for someone that's 23 and has had this life experience and is very um aware, right? Like this isn't, I wouldn't say this is a very common conversation to have with anyone from any age. You know, I think it's a very small percentage of people. And I don't think it's a capacity thing. I think it's one life experience, but also like what you choose to do with it, right? You have to investigate things in order, you have to question things in order to learn, right? And a lot of people just they don't question, they just think that what they think is right and what they feel is right, and that they're entitled to whatever. And I've never been that way. I've always questioned my own feelings, questioned my own beliefs, question my own like bias on like, I think I'm right right now, and I'm this argument makes total sense to me, but maybe I'm actually being rude. Maybe I'm being, you know, I try to like look at all these things, you know, all the time. But it's a stranger is someone I deeply love, and it's even harder when you really are close to someone because we often show every part of ourselves when we love somebody. We most strangers don't see everything, right? So for you, being 23, living in Europe, you know, you're you're incredibly deep for somebody your age. And I don't I don't mean to use age as a as a crux or age as a sorry crutch for making excuses for behavior. It's not, but obviously, older you are, technically the more life experience it's exposed to you, you tend to hopefully get a little bit deeper as you age. You you're already light years in front of people. How how do you go about like connecting? It doesn't even have to be like relational romantic sense, but how do you go about connecting with people on your level, or do you not even look for that? Do you just are you just open to connection in general no matter what it feels like?

SPEAKER_03 37:58

I went through different phases of

Social Anxiety And Dropping The Mask

SPEAKER_03 38:05

that actually. Like when I was younger, I was like six fifteen, sixteen, I uh I was very insecure. So I always tried to make friends, you know, be alike. And like just that the usual people pleasing stuff, you know, everybody everybody does it subconsciously somewhere. Um and then I went through a phase of extreme social anxiety. So I could not like you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't believe me if I say this, but like four years ago I could not go to a restaurant because I could not speak to a waker. I could not order. I I was dead ass. Am I allowed to swear on this podcast?

SPEAKER_02 39:01

Oh yeah, you can swear.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Like I was I was literally so fucking scared of talking to people, I could not. I could not. And well now it's just like I've come to realize that as I said earlier, everything's energy like one law of the universe is law of attraction. You know, that's why I think you and me talk now, because that's not a coincidence. So I've come to realize that the more I truly am myself, and the less I put on a mask, the more ingredients I give the universe to cook with, basically. Like if you imagine the universe or God or Allah or whatever you call it being a cook, like a chef, like them the more real I am, the more things I'm putting out into the world of who I truly am, those are the ingredients that I give him or her or it to cook with. And so this will naturally bring things into my life that are actually for me. And with things I mean things, but also the people. So I don't to answer your questions, like I don't really care anymore. Like my my only concern is just to be me because I know that eventually everything will fall into place like as it should, you know, and that people will come and go, everything is here for a reason, like in your life actually. Some are here for a decade or like short phases or whatever. Doesn't matter. Okay. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:00

Do you believe in fate?

SPEAKER_03 41:03

Well, what's the definition of fate?

SPEAKER_02 41:06

Like fate is like things happen for a reason. So everything that happens, there's a purpose.

SPEAKER_03 41:14

Everything that happens.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Like, okay, because this is like, for instance, like a lot of religions believe in fate, meaning that like we don't really get to decide much that uh what what happens in our lives. It's kind of already predetermined, right? And so no matter if you die when you're six or you get to live till you're 90 and have a wonderful family and be loved, like everything is based on fate. So like they're predetermined basically lives. Do you believe in that?

SPEAKER_03 41:50

I mean it

Fate, Free Will, And Why Religion Comforts

SPEAKER_03 41:55

could be because you never know, like even the small decisions that feel like yours, they could just be like subconsciously something else triggered that, you know, and then it led to a domino effect of this and this and this. So I would say you can't say for sure if there is if you oh if we go into this, like even if you even have a free will or not, like this is a huge thing. So let's go let's not go into it.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

But you don't want to go into that too much? I'll talk about that all day, man. I love this stuff. This is exactly why I started this show. Yeah, it's uh it's really interesting to ponder. It is, you know. I do really like that you just provided some context with nuance, right? You were like, there's no way really to tell, which is kind of where I sit in now, and I'm okay with the unknown. Like, I don't I don't like shrivel in some discomfort because I admit my humanness is not all knowing. You know? Like it's okay for me not to know, but I'm curious. Um that's why I was curious in your perspective, because it's also okay for someone to feel like they know, because there's a bit of faith in that. It doesn't bother me. I'm just always curious why and what do they feel like they know.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

I think, but well, if it comes to fate like this and free will, I would say I don't fully know either, so I'm like more on your side of things. But then when you say everything that happens has a purpose, I think that's true, and everything happens for a reason, so there is no coincidences because like it's either everything on earth is a coincidence or nothing, because like everything that's happening, even the smallest butterfly that you witness in the woods when you take a walk, everything in your life has arranged. In a way that you experienced this exact moment. And the like even to think about like what are the odds of everything arranging like this that you experienced this exact moment when you could have experienced a million different moments, like that's no coincidence, you know? So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

Pretty wild to think about. I love I love talking about this. So I feel like when I was like closer to your age, I would have conversations like this, but then I would get consumed by them. So like I would think about it for like months. And I feel like I would be like, like I would feel I'm gonna like personify this, like I was this like thing, like like consciousness, and I was just like sinking into a black hole because I was like falling in space and thinking about these things. And now, and you might already be able to do this, but I feel like now I'm able to just sort of snap my snap my um presence and not not be like consumed by it. Like I can think about it and then I can remove myself from it, and I don't get swallowed by not knowing, right? I think a lot of times being swallowed by not knowing makes us feel so uncomfortable. We'll just make something up to make ourselves feel comfortable. Like our brain will just like make up a story because I just I want to feel comfortable, and I feel uncomfortable admitting that I don't know the answer or I don't know, and maybe my brain's too small to understand. So my brain is just like, oh, we want to hug you, we want to make you comfortable, so I'm gonna just say this thing, right? Um, and so now I feel a little bit differently, whereas like maybe in my in my earlier 20s, I might have just sort of aligned with something that was more like matter-of-fact because it made me feel safer, I guess, conceptually, even though it really didn't do much actually to make me safer, just made me feel safer.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

Yeah, I think that's what the brain does naturally. Like that's just survival instinct, right? You want to be safe. I think I think that's also oh, this might be no, I won't get cancelled, but this is kind of controversial, but like in my perspective, I feel like this is why religions exist. Because this is just like religions are they're just like uh people trying to to to make something more understandable, something that they can't really understand. So they they made these religions of the there was like every religion that that there is on earth, that's just like that's just a tool or like a finger pointing to the same thing. You know, it's like basically.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

No, I mean I you should continue that thought. I I don't know that you're gonna cancel on the show, because I've talked a lot about why I think religion exists and there's good that's come from it and a lot of bad that's come from it. And I do think um, I don't know if you listened, and it's okay to say you didn't, like to I think my last solo episode was on the um idea of the afterlife. And it and I was really talking about how like what purpose heaven and hell serves a lot of people and their belief system and where it comes from. And you know, a lot of times it's based on fear, right? Fear that I'll never see my loved one again, fear that I'll never be able to account for my wrongs or whatever, or what what pain has been caused to me, or what pain I've been, or fear that I won't get a second chance of something, you know. Um, and I think like I understand why those constructs exist because it does, it it's it's there to comfort us, but I don't think we necessarily need them to live moral and ethical lives. And I think sometimes it can be a trap because we live life sometimes with those beliefs with the under with the assumption that we're gonna have another chance at some point. We're gonna be able to say something we didn't say, we're gonna be able to see a loved one that maybe we didn't get to see, or you know, a child maybe that we lost prematurely, or all these other things, right? A uh um like a family member, like for instance, soul who I lost, right? Um, like a like an animal. But I think like instead of believing in that, I don't I don't have to make myself feel comfortable. I just try to appreciate the fact that it did happen and it was real, you know, and so whether I am able to see someone or something after death, like I have no idea. I and I don't think I'm ever gonna know. And it doesn't matter to me right now. It does just doesn't matter, even if I'm about to die, like I'd rather live right now, like tangible, like me having this conversation with you through the internet when you're like thousands of miles away, right? That's that's crazy. And this is like for me, this is this is reality, this is what I'm experiencing. So, not that my memories and my grief and all those things aren't part of my reality, they are, but I'm not going to like live my life with the goal of like I don't know, like me going to some place and some gates opening up and me being accepted, like I'm here right now, so I'm gonna live right now, right here, in this moment, and that's all I can do, that's all I want to do. That is the most important thing.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

That's so beautiful, that's so cool. Because actually, if you think about it, this one moment, this is all you get. This is lit, this is literally all you get, because past and future, that's just I wouldn't say it's an illusion, but it is kind of because that's just a mental concept, right? Like the past, it only exists as a memory, the future it only exists as a imagination, basically. So everything that you will ever have is this present moment. So it it would be like stupid not to live in

Going With The Flow Without Monetizing

SPEAKER_03 50:10

it, like literally makes no sense.

SPEAKER_02 50:15

So, what's your like what do you see yourself doing in the next year with like all this social media you know attention? Like, are you gonna start to work in this field where like you meet with people one-on-one? Because it seems like people are already asking you for advice, they're in your DMs, right? Like, or are you just gonna keep making videos on things that you think and feel about? Like, or you might not even have a goal, and that's okay too. I'm just kind of curious on you know, not many people like you acknowledge, just blow up on the internet like this unless they're like one showing their body a ton or have some sort of other thing. You you're literally expressing deep thoughts and feelings, just filming yourself talking, right? And people seem to be that they're drawn to that, you know. They're they're you're getting a following because they're drawn to what you're talking about. It's not because you're doing these other things that people are getting notoriety for. I think it's much more meaningful and connective, right? It's speaking to that loneliness and that disconnection of so many less experience. People have these questions and they want to hear someone else talk about them too. So, like, what do you think? Like, where do you where do you feel like you're going? The direction?

SPEAKER_03 51:25

I am going with the flow.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

That's a good answer.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

Well, I don't know. I feel like I know if it was for money, I would have made a lot by now from that. Like, I could easily monetize that. And I'm getting so many inquiries and tips and people telling me you should do that, you should do this, and blah blah blah. And I'm like, yeah, I know, but I'm just gonna follow my excitement, you know? I'm just gonna follow like this what I've been doing for the past three months, it worked so well. So I think it's gonna continue working very well. That's why I haven't I haven't monetized anything. I'm not I haven't made a cent from it. Like nothing. But I don't care. I really don't, because it feels right. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

Man, I feel like if uh many people had uh maybe a friend like you when they were 23, they'd probably be a lot better off, honestly. I really like a lot of perspective you were sharing. No, for I'm not even trying to talk you up. I mean, really, like I think people listening, I think, wow, this person's 23. I mean, that's a really interesting perspective you have, right? There's just like there's this sense of like disattachment that you have, or unattachment, I should say, but not lack of purpose. I think those two things are really hard to get right at the same time, right? I could be like, oh, I'm not attached to the outcome, but then that really kind of is what I'm making the excuse, I don't give a shit about anything, right? I don't really care. I'm like, I just care about myself, I don't care about anything else. And I think a lot of people think that that's detaching, and that's not what we mean by that. Like being like detached does not mean you're disassociating, it just means that you're not like so attached to a specific outcome that if you don't get it, your world's over, right? Because things happen. I mean, you can be in a car accident in an hour and things happen, right? But what are you gonna do with that? And I think your perspective being 23 and um being so you said go with the flow, but just being so fluid with like what could come. And I think what I hear from you, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't want to like speak for you, but I'm what I'm hearing from you, at least energetically, is like you're just gonna keep doing what feels right, and if that changes, you'll pivot. Right? Seems simple. Um okay, so what can people like one I want to talk? I want you to talk a little bit about like some of the things you talk about on your Instagram page. I'm sure you're on other social media platforms. I deleted my TikTok years ago. I just I didn't want that much social media, so I deleted my Twitter or what's now X, and now I just have an Instagram. And I have my own problems with social media. Like, you know, I think there's a lot of things that it causes wrong in society, but then it connects it's connecting me with people like you. So there's plenty of positives that have come from it, right? Like when you when you're making a video and you're you're making content for your page, like what are what are things in your mind?

unknown 54:31

Like, what do you what do you hope to put out there?

SPEAKER_02 54:34

What do you hope people are getting from the videos?

SPEAKER_03 54:38

Oh, I love this question. So good. What do I hope people are getting from my videos? Honestly, like deadass, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

Dead ass, love it.

SPEAKER_03 54:55

Nothing, nothing, nothing at all. Nothing at all. Because because the thing is, as I said earlier, like day one, that was

Posting For Yourself Not For Clout

SPEAKER_03 55:05

where I got got this idea, right? For the videos, and the reason I did this was because I I was I I had this fear of talking to the camera. I had this fear of talking to people, to the camera, whatever. And I was like, okay, this is something that I want to improve on, so I'm going to do it every day because that's the only thing that's gonna make me improve on it.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

Okay, right? That's a lesson. You're you're you're leaning into fear, you're scared of something, so you're just gonna do it more.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

Yes. But then like I feel like the one thing that when I look at many people doing social media, especially Instagram or TikTok, but I don't use TikTok either, um, is that there is always an external purpose or like an external factor that they want to go towards. So when I asked somebody, like that was last week, she asked me like, How how do I get more viral videos? How do I get this and this? And I was like, Why do you want to build social media in the first place? And she was like, Oh, yeah, for my business, and I want to reach more people, and I want to do da-da-da-da. And I was like, if you want to do social media to like grow your following, then don't even bother, like, don't even start, don't talk to me. Because this is like this is not how it works, you know. This is like because for me, every video that I take, like literally, if you scroll to my like through my page and through every video, every reel is a message from me to me, not to anybody else. Because I don't see myself in a position to tell somebody anything, and every video is just a message that I need to hear on this day, and this is like the highest form of self-expression for me. Because I'm I'm basically I'm just uh like I'm curating myself, I'm in therapy with myself.

SPEAKER_02 57:36

And in a way, you're kind of holding yourself accountable to an idea, too, right? Not not in a rigid way where it can't be changed, but in a way where you're like, hey, I'm I'm having these deep thoughts about this part of the human experience, and I'm gonna this video again is like a timestamp in time, right? And so you can go back and look at it and be like, hmm, I thought about that. Maybe a year from now you actually might have a different thought about that.

SPEAKER_04 57:58

Right.

SPEAKER_02 58:00

But you're not doing it with the perspective of changing someone else and their thoughts. I mean, that might happen naturally if they're thinking if your video, right, makes them think and feel, but that's not your goal. Your goal isn't to have them think and feel like you.

SPEAKER_03 58:13

Yeah. And I feel like that's the only way that you can truly keep doing what you're doing. Because whatever happens in the external world, it will not have any impact on what I do. And this is only when you are when you're like detached, you know, if if you're if your purpose is not in the external, that's the only way to do that.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

Is there like a bug on your screen or something? Yeah, I have to remove it. I'm like, what is she doing? Okay, makes sense. I forget it's like 9 p.m. There's probably all these mosquitoes and bugs out um for you.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

Super hot as well. Well, Gloria, where is it hot too?

SPEAKER_03 59:01

It was it was like 36 degrees today. It's really hot.

SPEAKER_02 59:09

Yeah,

Where To Find Gloria And Final Oneness

SPEAKER_02 59:10

don't worry, all the all Americans are gonna have to get their calculators out and translate that.

SPEAKER_03 59:13

Yeah, because it's porn hot.

SPEAKER_02 59:15

It's hot. It's hot. 36 degrees Celsius is hot. Um yeah. Gloria, so all right, before I let you go, because this has been lovely, and I want to I try to keep these around an hour now just for people's attention span. I used to have shows that went two, three hours and it was just too long for most people, but um, this has been wonderful. I want to give you a little bit of space, uh, tell people like where to find you. And then, yeah, maybe maybe if there's like one thing that you really want to get off your chest, it could be a couple things that you want to share with people. Like, what would it be?

SPEAKER_03 59:51

What do you what did you mean to say where people can find?

SPEAKER_02 59:56

Like where like where can they find you? Like what's your social media handle? How can they get in touch with you? Like, you know, what what do you how do you prefer people interact with you? Is it just on Instagram? Is there like a YouTube space? Do you have a website? You know, this is your chance to kind of plug what you're doing a little bit, even though I know that's not why you're here. And then the second part of that question is yeah, share with us maybe one or two things on what you'd like to leave the audience with.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:20

So yeah, my Instagram is like Gloria Del Rey. It's all together. That's where you can find me, and that's also like my main focus. So that's that's literally my heart and soul. That's everything. So this is where I'm going to be documenting most of my things. I'm thinking about starting a YouTube channel. I've already uploaded, I think, one or two videos. Like those are gonna be those are gonna be same same as Instagram, like my thoughts, but in a like more long way. You know, like for people that really want to come and sit with me inside my mind, basically, that want to take it a little bit deeper. Um, yeah, that's basically it. I don't want to use TikTok because I don't really resonate with the app. I think it's brain rot, so I don't.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:18

I respect that. Okay, and then and then things that you'd want to end the conversation on with. Like, doesn't have to be super profound, it can be, but like what are some things you want to leave the audience with just how you're feeling today?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

Doesn't have to be something crazy, but I want to give that little impulse to whoever is watching or listening that whenever you think that you're separate from something or that you're a separate individual being, that this is not the case. And this is I don't like the word illusion, but it's pretty much an illusion. So I just want to give this small impulse, maybe to for people that are kind of on this path to go more into that. That everything is one, like everything is connected, and you are not like a separate being, you are one leaf on a huge tree, or you are one way in the ocean, you're not separate from it, you are it, and then go more into that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:46

I love that. Beautiful. Thank you so much for spending some time with me today. I'd love to have you back on. Um, I feel like I could listen to you talk about things for hours, and that's pretty rare for me, I think. Because I listen to a lot of people talk. So uh again, well done on where you are already in your life, and um, yeah, I'm I'm stoked to follow along and see what you do.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:08

It was so cool. I had so much fun. Oh my gosh! It was so cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

I wish people could realize all their dreams wealthy so that they could see that it's not.